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FEBRUARY 11, 1999, THURSDAY 
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HEADLINE: PREPARED STATEMENT OF 
HONORABLE NANCY-ANN MIN DEPARLE 
ADMINSTRATOR, HEALTH CARE FINANCING 
ADMINISTRATION 
BEFORE THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS 
SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH 
SUBJECT - MANAGEMENT OF THE MEDICARE PROGRAM 
BODY: 
Chairman Thomas, Congressman Stark, 
distinguished committee members, thank you for inviting me to discuss our 
progress in strengthening Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA) management 
of Medicare and our other programs and responsibilities. I would also like to 
thank the General Accounting Office (GAO) for its evaluation and advice on this 
and other subjects over the past year since I became Administrator. 
HCFA is 
the nation's largest health insurer, providing coverage to about 74 million 
people. Our workload has grown immensely with the Balanced Budget Act (BBA) of 
1997, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of 1996, 
the challenges of complying with Year 2000 computer issues, fighting fraud, 
waste, and abuse, and meeting the needs of the ever-growing number of 
beneficiaries we serve. Our programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, and the new 
Children's Health Insurance Program -- now provide more coverage, more health 
plan options, and more health care security to Americans than ever before. 
Together they will pay for an estimated $335 billion in benefits in 1999, and 
represent the Federal government's third largest outlay. Medicare alone now 
processes about 900 million claims each year, is the nation's largest purchaser 
of managed care, and accounts for 11 percent of the federal budget. 
We are 
working to meet our management challenges despite a rapidly growing workload. I 
want to thank this Committee for its support of the President's request for HCFA 
last year. The growth in our workload over the past three years is unprecedented 
in HCFA's history. Our discretionary program management appropriation has 
remained relatively flat in recent years. The Congress did provide the 
Administration's full request for an increased management appropriation for 
fiscal year 1999, which represents a good first step. The President's FY 2000 
HCFA budget request builds on last year's appropriation, and includes user fee 
proposals to allow better program efficiency. We are eager to work with Congress 
to secure adequate funding to meet all of HCFA's responsibilities in fiscal year 
2000 and beyond. 
HCFA spends less than one percent of Medicare benefit 
outlays on Medicare program management, and less than 2 percent on 
administrative costs overall, compared to private sector administrative costs of 
12 percent and higher. Some of the difference is due to efficient management and 
economies of scale. However, our growing workload makes it necessary to secure 
adequate funding to continue to improve our management of the program. 
We 
are accomplishing a great deal with our resources. In the past year, we have: 
* published 92 regulations and Federal Register notices implementing 
important Congressional directives, beneficiary protections, and taxpayer 
savings, including the savings in the Balanced Budget Act that are critical to 
extending the life of the Medicare Trust Fund; 
* responded to nearly 7,000 
pieces of Congressional correspondence, and delivered 15 official Reports to 
Congress; 
* participated in more than 1,000 events around the country to 
help beneficiaries understand health plan changes; 
* made remarkable 
progress in addressing our Year 2000 challenge, and participated in more than 
100 events around the country to help providers address this challenge; 
* 
made major strides in fighting fraud, waste and abuse and preventing payment 
errors; 
  
* approved 50 Children's Health Insurance Plans which 
States expect to cover more than 2.5 million children; 
* issued more than 50 
program guidance letters to State Medicaid and health officials on issues such 
as the managed care reforms in the BBA; 
* implemented a carefully planned 
National Medicare Education Program to help beneficiaries understand their 
rights and options, and make informed health care decisions; 
* converted the 
vast majority of Medicare HMOs to the new Medicare+Choice program, and added 10 
new plans and expanded service areas for another 10 plans. 
* worked closely 
with state insurance regulators on important Health Insurance Portability and 
Accountability Act consumer protections; 
* updated our Strategic Plan to 
reflect our expanded mission, set clear goals and specific objectives, and 
establish performance measures to gauge our progress; and 
* begun a 
nationwide initiative to improve nursing home oversight and care. 
MANAGEMENT 
REFORMS 
We have made significant strides in improving HCFA management since 
I testified before this Subcommittee on this issue last year. In the past year I 
have tried to articulate a clear vision of a more efficient and effective HCFA. 
I brought in a new leadership team to help me achieve these goals. And we have 
taken a number of steps to help us do more and be more efficient, effective, 
responsive and accountable. In addition, the fiscal year 2000 President's budget 
builds on these steps by seeking new flexibilities to manage our programs more 
effectively. 
Our first step was to completely reorganize our agency to focus 
on serving beneficiaries and outside partners like plans, providers and States. 
Our structure is now built around our "customers" rather than internal issues. 
This has sharpened our focus on the changes in our mission, and is helping us be 
more accessible and responsive. Most important, for the first time ever we have 
a Center for Beneficiary Services to ensure that we have beneficiaries first in 
mind in every decision we make and every action we take. 
We brought in new 
staff and leadership from the private sector. 
* A computer scientist and 
security expert from the Los Alamos National Laboratory serves as our first-ever 
Chief Information Officer and heads our information technology team and Year 
2000 efforts. 
  
* An internist who helped establish a private 
sector preferred provider organization health plan now leads our Center for 
Health Plans and Providers. 
* A geriatrician who was a private sector 
managed care plan medical director is our Chief Clinical Officer and heads our 
Office of Clinical Standards and Quality. 
* A gerontologist who ran a 
private sector firm devoted to helping corporations educate their workers on 
health care is leading our Medicare beneficiary education program. 
* A 
physician who has worked as a Medicare contractor medical director is in charge 
of implementing much stronger oversight of Medicare claims processing 
contractors, with a special emphasis on making sure contractors meet their 
responsibility to be diligent in preventing fraud and payment errors. 
* A 
physician is leading a review of all our rules and regulations to see where they 
can be simplified, clarified, and refined to reduce administrative burdens on 
physicians and better meet beneficiary needs. 
* And a former State insurance 
department director is coordinating our new State-level responsibilities under 
the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. 
Overall last year 
we doubled the number of physicians at the agency and hired about 450 new 
employees to replace retirees, fill new positions, and provide us with fresh 
private sector insight and expertise. 
We have taken steps to make sure 
policies are applied fairly and evenly across the country. We have strengthened 
communication between leaders of our Regional Offices and our main policy and 
operations divisions. And we have established "Product Consistency Teams" to 
make sure that policies and procedures are applied uniformly across the country. 
We are creating new advisory committees, pursuant to the Federal Advisory 
Committee Act, that will continually bring outside insight and expertise to our 
agency. They will also help bring more openness to our operations and help us 
make sure we are managing our programs to meet beneficiary needs. 
* One 
advisory committee, the Citizens Advisory Panel on Medicare Education, will help 
us make sure we are giving beneficiaries the information they need to be 
informed consumers in the new Medicare+Choice program. * Another advisory 
committee, the Medicare Coverage Advisory Committee, will foster openness and 
public input in our coverage decision-making process. It will include experts in 
medicine, biology, public health, ethics, economics, data analysis, and other 
professions, and work from objective medical evidence for recommending when 
Medicare should pay for new medical treatments and services. 
* A third 
advisory committee, announced in the President's budget, will include private 
sector business and management experts who can advise the Administrator on how 
to improve HCFA's business processes and incorporate innovations that will 
better serve our beneficiaries. 
We are also seeking new flexibilities to 
strengthen our capacity to manage our programs. The President's budget calls 
for: 
* an assessment of our personnel skill mix and an evaluation of 
increased flexibilities in personnel matters that would help us pay 
competitively, hire the right staff to serve beneficiaries, and hold employees 
accountable for results; 
* increased accountability by establishing the 
outside advisory committee discussed above to advise the Administrator on 
management issues and by regularly reporting to Congress and the public on the 
status of programs and initiatives; 
* reengineering our relationship with 
our Regional Offices and with the Department; 
* allowing Medicare use market 
forces to prudently purchase care and services so we get the best quality and 
price for beneficiaries; and 
* reforming Medicare contracting authority so 
we can hire from a broader pool of private businesses to handle Medicare claims 
and move toward a more competitive and effective procurement environment. 
These reforms are needed to help us manage our programs efficiently and with 
a sharper focus on serving beneficiaries and ensuring access to high quality 
care. 
THE YEAR 2000 
Meeting the Year 2000 computer programming challenge 
must be our highest priority. HCFA got a late start but we are now making 
substantial progress in addressing this critical challenge. I want to assure 
beneficiaries that they should not worry. We are working with the health care 
community to assure that beneficiaries will continue to have access to the care 
they need. And I want to assure health providers that HCFA and its contractors 
will be prepared to pay their claims come January 1, 2000. However, providers 
must act now to be sure that their computer systems are fixed so they can submit 
claims to us. We continue our work and testing, but I am confident that we will 
be ready well before January 1, 2000. To date: * all of our 25 internal mission 
critical systems are now certified as Year 2000 compliant ("certified" means 
that independent experts have overseen renovations and testing and validated 
that they have been done properly); 
* our 78 external mission critical 
systems that our claims processing contractors use to pay bills are fully 
renovated, and more than 70 percent are certified as compliant. We have experts 
on-site every day, monitoring and assisting contractors who have significant 
amounts of remaining Year 2000 work; 
* systems for about 95 percent of 
Medicare managed care plans are reported compliant; and 
* we have completed 
the first round of certification testing on twenty-four of our sixty non-mission 
critical internal systems. 
There is no question that we have faced an uphill 
battle in achieving Year 2000 compliance. We have a substantial amount of work 
remaining this year to test and validate our systems. We are working to 
encourage and help providers meet their Year 2000 responsibilities, and to help 
beneficiaries understand what they need to know about the Year 2000 issue. We 
also must work to renovate our non-mission critical systems, and to make 
temporary fixes permanent. 
A number of key steps are getting us where we 
need to be. They include: 
* building a "War Room" to track Year 2000 efforts 
within the agency and with partners across the country so we know the current 
status of all essential Year 2000 projects; 
* negotiating contract 
amendments with more than 60 claims processing contractors to establish clear 
Year 2000 requirements; 
* establishing contractor oversight teams to closely 
monitor and manage Year 2000 work on-site and full time for claims processing 
contractors who most need help; 
* hiring independent expert contractors to 
give us greater assurance that Year 2000 work is done properly by us, our claims 
processing contractors, and States; and 
* helping health care providers 
through a broad outreach campaign that includes mailings, publications, an 
Internet site, a speaker's bureau, and a wide range of other efforts. 
I must 
be clear, however, about what HCFA can and cannot do. We are responsible for all 
our own systems, our claims processing contractors' systems, and data exchange 
interfaces among all of these systems and the systems of States, providers, 
banks, phone companies, and other partners. We do not have the authority, 
ability, or resources to step in and fix systems for others, such as States or 
providers. And that leads to a rather substantial concern. 
It is not enough 
for HCFA alone to be ready for the Year 2000. Health care providers must be Year 
2000 compliant in order to bill us properly and continue to provide high quality 
care and service to Medicare beneficiaries. States also must be Year 2000 
compliant for Medicaid and CHIP programs to continue uninterrupted service. Our 
monitoring indicates that some States and providers could well fail. We are 
providing assistance to the extent that we are able, but that likely will not be 
enough. 
This matter is of urgent concern, and literally grows in 
importance with each passing day. 
Our own progress in meeting the Year 2000 
challenge is due in large part to the outstanding effort and commitment of staff 
throughout HCFA and at our claims processing contractors. I also want to thank 
the Secretary and my colleagues at the Department of Health and Human Services, 
especially the HHS Inspector General, for their support. We have been greatly 
aided by wise counsel from the General Accounting Office and, importantly, by 
the expert independent validation contractors the GAO recommended we hire to 
ensure that Year 2000 work is done correctly. And, without question, we could 
not have come so far so quickly without the timely support and funding that 
Congress has provided. 
FIGHTING FRAUD AND PAYING RIGHT 
We are making 
unprecedented strides in promoting program integrity. This includes both 
fighting fraud, waste and abuse, and making sure we are paying right. We have 
set new records for restitutions, convictions, and exclusions of problem 
providers by working more closely with our law enforcement partners. Since 1993, 
these efforts have saved taxpayers billions of dollars and increased health care 
fraud convictions by more than 240 percent. We also are addressing honest errors 
in billing and payment through good program management and business practices, 
improved education and communication with providers, and correcting payment 
errors regardless of the reason for them. 
We have developed a comprehensive 
program integrity plan to build on these successes. The plan calls for: 
* 
increasing the effectiveness of medical review by increasing the overall level 
of review, targeting it on problem areas, hiring additional physicians to 
improve its effectiveness, using more computer "edits" that prevent improper 
payments, training employees to develop cases for prosecution, evaluating local 
policies to see where national policy may be needed, and measuring how well 
individual contractors perform medical reviews; 
* stepping up efforts to 
help providers comply with rules, establishing clear enrollment and periodic 
reenrollment requirements; and requiring bonds for certain types of providers. * 
proactively addressing potential program integrity problems before they occur in 
the new programs, benefits, and payment systems created under the BBA; 
* 
planning how to deal with potential program integrity problems related to the 
Year 2000 computer issue; and 
* focusing on special areas of concern, such 
as inpatient hospital care, congregate care such as nursing homes and assisted 
living centers, community mental health centers, as well as addressing the 
unique program integrity issues related to managed care. 
We further expect 
our program integrity successes to increase this year as we begin to use new 
authority to hire special program integrity contractors. We plan to hire payment 
safeguard contractors to focus on medical review, fraud case development, cost 
report audits and related program safeguard functions as needed; a coordination 
of benefits contractor to consolidate all activities associated with making sure 
Medicare does not pay for claims when other insurers are liable; a statistical 
analysis contractor to provide on-going analyses to help detect fraud; and 
managed care integrity contractor(s) to target issues unique to health plans. 
We expect to start these new, special program integrity contractors on the 
job this year. This is important, because the HHS Inspector General reports that 
not all Medicare's claims processing contractors are effectively fighting fraud 
and abuse. We have responded by including fraud case developing in the scope of 
work for our new special program integrity contractors, and by ordering existing 
contractors to report all suspected fraud cases immediately to the HHS Inspector 
General. But, clearly, we need to do more. 
That is one reason why the 
President's budget proposes a new legislative package to fight fraud, waste and 
abuse that will save about $3 billion over 5 years. It includes eliminating 
excessive reimbursement for drugs, putting stricter controls on outpatient 
mental health services, requiring other insurers to report all Medicare 
beneficiaries they cover so Medicare can make sure it does not pay bills that 
should be paid by other insurers. It also include more authority to choose the 
most effective Medicare contractors. 
BALANCED BUDGET ACT 
The BBA 
includes 335 provisions that affect our programs, with savings that are critical 
to achieving a balanced budget and extending the life of the Medicare Trust Fund 
for 10 years. We have fully implemented more than half of those provisions, and 
many more are partially implemented. 
We have implemented provisions for 
Medicare coverage of new preventive benefits, including expanded coverage for 
test strips and education programs to help diabetics control their disease, bone 
density measurement for beneficiaries at risk of osteoporosis, and several 
colorectal cancer screening tests. We also expanded preventive benefits for 
women so Medicare now covers a screening pap 
smear, pelvic exam and clinical breast exam every three years for most women, 
and every year for women at high risk for cervical or vaginal cancer. And 
Medicare now covers annual screening mammograms for all women age 40 and over, 
and a one-time initial, or baseline, mammogram for women ages 35-39, paying for 
these tests whether or not beneficiaries have met their annual deductibles. 
We are implementing important demonstration projects designed to test 
whether market forces can help Medicare save money and promote high quality 
care. We will soon begin a test in Polk County, Florida of competitive bidding 
as a way to get the best quality and price for durable medical equipment and 
supplies. Bidding documents are scheduled for release this week, and a 
conference for potential bidders is scheduled for February 23. A toll-free 
hotline (888-289- 0710) is available to answer beneficiary and provider 
questions about the project. 
We will soon begin a test of competitive 
pricing for managed care, in which a bidding process will be used to set rates 
for Medicare+Choice plans in two local markets. A Medicare Competitive Pricing 
Advisory Commission, chaired by General Motors Health Care Initiative Executive 
Director James Cubbin, has made recommendations regarding key design features of 
the project, and selected the markets of Phoenix, Arizona and Kansas City, 
Kansas and Missouri, as initial demonstration sites. 
We also are developing 
important new payment systems that include incentives to provide care 
efficiently. We have already implemented a new prospective payment system called 
for in the BBA for skilled nursing facility costs. Similar prospective payment 
systems are being developed for rehabilitation hospitals, home health care, and 
outpatient hospital care. 
Medicare+Choice 
We are implementing the new 
Medicare+Choice program, which was also mandated by the BBA. It allows Medicare 
beneficiaries to select from a wide range of plan options available in the 
private sector today. It requires a massive new beneficiary education campaign, 
and includes important new protections for patients and providers, as well as 
statutory requirements for quality assessment and improvement. 
We believe 
very strongly that managed care is good as a voluntary option next to 
traditional Medicare. Medicare managed care enrollment has nearly tripled under 
the Clinton Administration, from 2.3 million when the President took office to 
now 6.8 million. We are taking steps to help beneficiaries understand their new 
options and encourage plans to provide these new options. 
We have launched 
the National Medicare Education Program to help beneficiaries understand the 
program and receive accurate and unbiased information about their benefits, 
rights, and options. The campaign includes: 
* mailing a Medicare and You 
handbook to explain new benefits and health plan options; 
* a toll-free 
"1-800-Medicare" call center with live operators to answer questions and provide 
additional print information on request; 
* a consumer-friendly Internet 
site, www.Medicare. 
gov; 
* a program to teach partners in other 
organizations that serve Medicare beneficiaries how to teach others in their 
organizations and communities to explain the changes; 
* enhanced beneficiary 
counseling from State Health Insurance Assistance Programs; 
* a national 
publicity campaign; 
* a multitude of state and local outreach efforts; and 
* a comprehensive assessment of these efforts. An initial pilot test was 
begun in five states in 1998. Results will help to refine the program for a 
full-scale, national campaign in preparation for the 1999 open enrollment period 
beginning in the fall. 
We are taking several steps to reach out to health 
plans to encourage participation in the Medicare+Choice program. Last summer we 
held outreach sessions attended by more than 1,500 plan representatives. And we 
are strengthening lines of communication with plans. I have named a high-level 
point person within HCFA whom plans can call directly if they have trouble 
resolving issues through normal HCFA channels. 
We have converted the vast 
majority of Medicare HMOs -- more than 300 -- to the new Medicare+Choice 
program. We have approved a total of 10 new Medicare+Choice plans and 10 service 
area expansions for existing plans since November. We are currently reviewing 
another 28 new plan applications and 19 service area expansion applications. The 
newly approved plans include provider sponsored organizations, which are HMOs 
run by hospitals and physicians rather than insurers. One of these plans is the 
first to enter Medicare with a federal waiver from State licensure, which is 
allowed for the first time ever under the Medicare+Choice program. We have also 
taken all necessary steps so that Medicare beneficiaries can be offered Medical 
Savings Account options, as well. 
We have taken several additional steps to 
implement Medicare+Choice. We have developed new beneficiary and plan enrollment 
systems, payment systems, appeals and grievance procedures, and quality 
assurance mechanisms. And we are collecting data that will be used to phase in 
"risk adjustment" to meet the BBA requirement that payments to plans take into 
account the health status of individual enrollees. 
We will soon publish 
refinements to regulations which improve beneficiary access to timely 
information about plan changes that affect them. The refinements also address 
plan concerns and should help encourage plans to offer more options to Medicare 
beneficiaries. 
And, to further facilitate plan participation, the 
President's budget gives plans two additional months to file the information 
that we use to approve benefit and premium structures. This "Adjusted Community 
Rate" (ACR) data would not be due until July 1, rather than May 1. July 1 is the 
latest we can accept, process, and approve premium and benefit package data and 
still mail beneficiaries information about available plans in time for the 
November 1999 Medicare+Choice open enrollment period. 
While I am concerned 
about the business decision that some Medicare HMOs made last October to pull 
out of the program this year, it is important to put those business decisions in 
context. Some of the plans that withdrew had market positions or internal 
management issues that made it hard for them to compete. And they faced rising 
prescription drug prices and other commercial pressures. Many of the disrupted 
beneficiaries had several other plans to choose from, and all but 50,000 had at 
least one other plan option. 
It is our understanding that the Federal 
Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) experienced a similar rate of plan 
pullouts. We have observed instances where plans that withdrew Medicare service 
from specific counties also withdrew their FEHBP service in many of those same 
counties. As mentioned above, the majority of Medicare HMOs converted to the 
Medicare+Choice program, we have approved 20 new plan and service area 
expansions approved since November, and are now reviewing applications from 
another 47 plans that want to get into or expand their role in Medicare+Choice. 
This suggests that plan withdrawal decisions have more to do with internal plan 
and larger marketplace issues than with Medicare rates or regulations. 
Still, the President's budget does include proposals to protect 
beneficiaries from disruption by plan withdrawals. Beneficiaries need earlier 
notification of plan withdrawals, and broader access to supplemental Medigap 
polices if they are forced to return to fee-for- service coverage. 
OTHER 
INITIATIVES 
We have several other important initiatives underway addressing 
children's health insurance, consumer protections for Medicaid beneficiaries in 
managed care, consumer protections in the private insurance market, and consumer 
protections in nursing homes. 
Children's Health Insurance Program. We are 
implementing the new Children's Health Insurance Program, or CHIP. We have 
approved 50 State and Territory plans, which States expect to cover more than 
2.5 million children, most of whom are in working families who do not earn 
enough to afford coverage for their children. Amendments expanding state plans 
have been approved for nine states, and we are now reviewing another nine 
amendment proposals, which should cover even more children. 
Medicaid 
We 
have proposed regulations to implement BBA provisions mandating strong, new 
patient protection and quality improvement rules for managed care plans that now 
serve about half of all Medicaid beneficiaries nationwide are now enrolled in 
managed care. This is a comprehensive and important change that should not 
affect States or plans ability to make Year 2000 systems changes. We also have 
sent State Medicaid Directors more than 50 letters with guidance as other 
Medicaid-related BBA provisions became effective. These letters address 
provisions that help States expand assistance to low-income Medicare 
beneficiaries, let States cover working disabled people with incomes up to 250 
percent of poverty, allow states to mandate that most Medicaid beneficiaries 
enroll in managed care without obtaining a federal waiver, and many others. 
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act 
We have undertaken 
tasks under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act that are 
well outside our traditional responsibilities. We are charged with overseeing 
protections for individuals with preexisting conditions and other broad private 
sector insurance reforms, and we must enforce these reforms in States that fail 
to do so. To date, we are enforcing all provisions of the law in Rhode Island 
and Missouri, and several major provisions in California. As many as 30 other 
States may not have implemented all provisions of the law. Our fiscal year 2000 
budget request includes resources for direct enforcement and close coordination 
with State insurance departments that are necessary for us to meet our new 
obligations. 
HIPAA also charges our agency with improving and protecting 
health care data that is exchanged electronically. We are now reviewing several 
thousand, often highly technical, comments on Notices of Proposed Rule Making 
regarding a national provider identifier system, an employer identifier system, 
electronic transactions and code sets, and electronic data security. We expect 
to soon publish Notices of Proposed Rule Making for a health plan identifier 
system and for electronic claims attachments. 
Nursing Home Initiative 
We 
have also undertaken a new initiative to improve oversight and quality of 
nursing home care. We are working with States to improve inspections, cracking 
down on homes that repeatedly violate safety rules, focusing on prevention of 
physical abuse and neglect such as dehydration and malnutrition, and posting 
nursing home quality ratings on the Internet. These reforms build on progress 
made since 1995, when we began enforcing the toughest nursing home regulations 
ever. The Clinton Administration will again submit legislation to Congress to 
require criminal background checks of prospective nursing home employees, 
establish a national registry of nursing home workers who have abused or 
neglected residents or misappropriated residents' property, and allow more types 
of nursing home workers to help residents eat and drink during busy mealtimes. 
CONCLUSION 
We are making substantial progress in meeting our challenges 
and better managing the programs that so many millions of Americans rely on for 
health care coverage. Clearly, we have much more to do. That is why we are 
implementing the many management reforms discussed in this testimony. That is 
why the President's budget includes provisions to increase our flexibility in 
procurement and personnel matters, and to establish an official advisory 
committee to help us stay on top of the rapidly evolving health care 
marketplace. And that is why I am grateful for the advice and assistance of this 
Committee and of the General Accounting Office. I thank you again for holding 
this hearing, and I am happy to answer your questions. 
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LOAD-DATE: February 19, 1999