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Congressional Testimony 
July 19, 2001, Thursday 
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COMMITTEE: 
SENATE AGRICULTURE, NUTRITION AND FORESTRY 
HEADLINE: 2002 
FARM BILL 
TESTIMONY-BY: DR. RON HASKINS, SENIOR FELLOW 
AFFILIATION: BROOKINGS INSTITUTION 
BODY: July 19, 2001 
Testimony of 
Dr. Ron Haskins Senior Fellow, Brookings Institution and Senior 
Consultant, Annie E. Casey Foundation 
Before the Committee on 
Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry U.S. Senate 
Chairman Harkin, Ranking 
Member Lugar, and Members of the Committee: 
My name is Ron Haskins. I am 
a Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, DC and a Senior 
Consultant at the Annie E. Casey Foundation in Baltimore. Until January of this 
year, I was a staffer with the Committee on Ways and Means in the U.S. House of 
Representatives where I was privileged to work on the 1996 welfare reform 
legislation. I greatly appreciate the opportunity to appear before your 
Committee today to talk about the reauthorization of the Food Stamp program and 
its relationship to welfare reform. My goal in appearing before you today is to 
convince the members of this Committee of two important facts about the Food 
Stamp program. First, even more than in the past, the Food Stamp program has 
become a vital support to poor and low-income mothers who work. The increase in 
employment by single mothers since enactment of welfare reform in 1996 has been 
astounding. In fact, a higher percentage of single mothers are working now than 
at any time in the past. However, most of the mothers who left welfare for work 
are earning low wages, usually around $7 per hour. These mothers need all the 
support they can get, including Food Stamps. Second, the Food Stamp program as 
presently constituted is failing the majority of these mothers and children. 
To set the stage for considering the increased importance of Food Stamps 
to low-income families, here is a brief overview of the results of the sweeping 
1996 welfare reform legislation. It has been five years since Congress replaced 
the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program with the Temporary 
Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program. Thus, enough time has elapsed that 
we can now talk with some degree of confidence about its effects. 
In a 
word, TANF has succeeded in achieving its central goal; namely, the reduction of 
welfare dependency and the growth of personal responsibility. Welfare reform has 
had major effects on welfare caseloads, on earnings by single mothers, on total 
income of single parent families, and on child poverty. These effects associated 
with welfare reform are deep and significant: we have had the first sustained 
decline in welfare rolls in the history of the program, single mothers are now 
more likely to work than at any time in the past, the earnings of female-headed 
families are at an all-time high, child poverty is at its lowest level since 
1979, black child poverty is the lowest ever, and poverty among female-headed 
families is the lowest ever (see Figure 1). 
These wonderful effects have 
been caused by the confluence of three major factors: welfare reform, a robust 
economy, and a federal system of programs that support working families. I want 
to direct the Committee's attention to the last factor contributing to the 
nation's great success in promoting personal responsibility; namely, programs 
that support working families, or what might be called the nation's "work 
support system." 
Roughly since the mid-1980s, Congress has been creating 
and expanding a set of programs that support poor and low-income working 
families (Table 1). By definition, these are programs that provide benefits, not 
just to people who don't or can't work, but to people who work. Indeed, some of 
these programs provide benefits only to working families. One of the reasons so 
many mothers have left welfare is that by combining their earnings, even from 
low-wage jobs, with benefits from the work support system, they are much better 
off financially than they were on welfare. Depending on the particulars of the 
mother's situation and her state of residence, it is not unusual for mothers 
leaving welfare to have $6 thousand or even $8 thousand more in income, even if 
she is in a job that pays only $6 or $7 an hour. In a typical situation, a 
mother leaving welfare earns $10,000 per year. If she has two children, she is 
eligible for an EITC of about $4,000 and Food Stamps worth about $2,000, 
bringing her total income to $16,000 - well above the poverty level for a family 
of three ($14,630 in 2001). Imagine the difference in living standard for this 
mother and her two children between her earnings of $10,000 and her total income 
of $16,000. 
The rationale for the nation's work support programs is both 
that it encourages work and that it increases the income and the living standard 
of poor and low-income working families. In many cases, the work support 
benefits allow the family to escape poverty. It is useful for the members of 
this Committee, with its long history of commitment to helping poor families and 
children, to ponder why the federal government has deliberately constructed the 
work support system over a period of nearly two decades. 
Unfortunately, 
it is now clear that because many of our young people emerge from the public 
schools with a minimum of skills, and because the American economy places a 
premium on skills, there are millions of young people with children who cannot 
earn enough to support their families. In the old days, it sometimes seemed that 
the goal of federal welfare policy was to give these families enough welfare in 
the form of cash and in-kind benefits, such as Food Stamps and housing, so that 
they could eke out a subsistence living. Thus, between the early 1960s and 1995, 
the year before enactment of welfare reform, Congress created scores of new 
social programs and increased spending on means-tested programs from around $50 
billion to about $350 billion. Yet child poverty grew steadily throughout the 
period (Figure 2). 
Clearly, the strategy of increased spending was not 
effective in fighting poverty. Worse, there were unintended effects on behavior. 
Millions of young, able-bodied Americans became dependent on welfare. Work done 
in the mid-1980s by David Ellwood and Mary Jo Bane at Harvard, and replicated 
many times since, shows that at any given moment around 65 percent of the 
families on the old Aid to Families with Dependent Children program were in the 
midst of spells that would eventually last eight years or more. Subsequent 
research by LaDonna Pavetti of Mathematica Policy Research showed that the 
average length of spells for families on the rolls at any given moment was more 
than a decade. In addition to reducing the incentive to work, another likely 
behavioral effect of welfare, though not as well established by research, was 
the effect on marriage. More specifically, many researchers came to believe that 
welfare served to reduce marriage and thereby increase nonmarital child bearing. 
In 1996 Congress and President Clinton decided to radically change the 
direction of the nation's welfare system and embarked on the new path of 
mandatory work complimented by the generous income supplements provided through 
the work support system. 
But major problems with the Food Stamp program 
are greatly detracting from the effectiveness of the work support system. 
Unfortunately, well over half the families that leave welfare do not retain the 
food stamp benefits for which they are qualified, thereby reducing their income 
by $2,000 or $3,000 in most cases. Recent research by Sheila Zedlewski and her 
colleagues at the Urban Institute, based on interviews of random samples of U.S. 
households in 1997 and 1999, shows that only slightly over 40 percent of 
families that leave welfare and have incomes below 130 percent of poverty (about 
$19,000 in 2001) actually received food stamps in either year. Moreover, the 
Zedlewski study found that a major reason families gave for leaving the Food 
Stamp program even though they were still eligible for benefits was that there 
were "administrative problems" in maintaining their eligibility. Even worse, 
Zedlewski found that the percentage of parents who cited administrative problems 
as the reason they didn't receive Food Stamps nearly doubled between 1997 and 
1999. 
What are the administrative problems that make the Food Stamp 
program so difficult for eligible families to join? For the sake of emphasizing 
a point, let me exaggerate, but only slightly, by stating that in the TANF 
program, states are penalized if they don't put people to work. In the Food 
Stamp program, states are penalized if they do put people to work. It would be 
difficult to imagine two programs that are more incompatible than TANF and Food 
Stamps. 
The major cause of the incompatibility is that TANF is a block 
grant that allows states almost complete flexibility in administration. By 
contrast, Food Stamps is an open-ended entitlement program that carefully 
defines through federal statute and regulation who is eligible, how resources 
are to be treated, how earnings and other income are to be treated, and how a 
host of other details are to be handled by states as they administer the 
program. TANF gives states a blank slate on which to develop their own rules and 
regulations; Food Stamps gives states an encyclopedia of federal rules and 
regulations that must be followed. 
And hanging over all the federal Food 
Stamp rules and regulations is the federal Quality Control (QC) system. The QC 
system, of course, is necessary because Food Stamp benefits are paid for 
entirely by federal funds but states administer the program. If there were not 
some mechanism to hold states accountable for their administrative accuracy, 
there could be substantial waste in the program - and big increases in federal 
spending. However, the problem arises because, as the Center on Budget and 
Policy Priorities (2000) has shown, in virtually every state Food Stamp cases 
that include a worker have higher error rates than cases in which no one works. 
The reason for this difference is clear enough. Especially among low-income 
families, there are frequent changes in earnings because low-income workers 
experience frequent changes in hours and even jobs. Thus, it is very difficult 
for states to know about, let alone keep track of, these frequent changes in 
earnings. As a result, state Food Stamp calculations for working families are 
often based on outdated information and are therefore in error. These errors are 
detected by the Quality Control program and often result in fines against the 
state. 
Based on the above analysis, it seems clear that the Food Stamp 
program has a serious problem that the Committee should carefully examine and 
try to solve. Mothers who have left welfare and are responsible both for rearing 
their children and earning most of their family's income are a very worthy 
group. Unless I misread the poll results, American taxpayers want to help poor 
and low- income families that are working full time. That is why Congress has 
developed such a remarkable work support system that provides generous benefits 
(around $70 billion in 1999) to poor and low- income working families. But now 
we are confronted with the clear fact that over half the eligible families 
leaving welfare do not receive Food Stamps, one of the most important and 
valuable work support benefits. Much of the problem stems from the fact that 
Food Stamp administration by states is micromanaged from the federal level. 
I will leave it to other witnesses, especially those representing 
administrators who conduct the Food Stamp program at the state level, to provide 
specific details of how the program's administrative problems could be solved. 
However, I would like to suggest the general outlines of a set of reforms that I 
recommend the Committee consider carefully. First, it seems obvious that there 
are three rather distinct populations in the Food Stamp program: the disabled, 
the elderly, and the non-elderly able- bodied. By contrast with the disabled and 
elderly, the able- bodied are expected to work. But if they do work, states are 
faced with the difficulties, reviewed above, involved in correctly calculating 
benefits. Thus, states should be permitted to apply a different quality control 
program to workers, leaving those who don't work subject to the current system. 
The Food Stamp statutes should set a minimal set of conditions that states must 
meet to establish a separate program for workers and the Food and Nutrition 
Service should have little discretion in granting the separate program. 
Second, this separate system should provide states with the option to 
grant families leaving welfare for work with a Food Stamp benefit that is based 
on their starting salary and is fixed for at least six months. Subsequently, the 
state would be responsible for verifying income only at six-month intervals. The 
quality control program would hold states accountable for obtaining the correct 
earnings at the beginning of each six-month period and for computing the Food 
Stamp benefit correctly based on earnings and other characteristics of each case 
only at that time. States would be allowed to develop their own methods of 
obtaining earnings information. If a recipient's income changes during the six 
month hold-harmless intervals, states would not be held accountable for 
recalculating the benefit amount based on these income variations. States would, 
however, be held accountable for verifying income every six months and for 
making accurate benefit adjustments based on the new income information or other 
change in circumstances. The recipient would have the right to apply for benefit 
recalculation at any time. 
Third, states should be given much more 
flexibility in determining the value of an automobile a family can have and 
still qualify for Food Stamps. The current limit of $4,650 is far too low, 
especially now that so many single mothers are working. As the members of this 
Committee can well understand, reliable transportation is an absolute necessity 
for a working family. Thus, families should be allowed to have a vehicle worth 
more than the current limitation. Again, I would trust the wisdom of the 
Committee to establish the correct approach to setting the vehicle limit, but at 
a minimum the new provision should allow states to use the same vehicle test 
they establish under their TANF program. 
Finally, the Federal government 
needs greater assurance that states are fully informing low-income families, 
especially those leaving welfare, of their right to continue receiving Food 
Stamps as long as their income is less than 130 percent of the poverty level. 
This issue can probably be handled at the Administrative level without any 
statutory changes. However, the Committee should be vigorous in informing the 
Food and Nutrition Service that state outreach is essential and that the 
Committee will carefully monitor the performance of the Food and Nutrition 
Service in providing leadership to ensure that states are conducting aggressive 
programs to help recipients leaving the TANF program maintain their eligibility 
for Food Stamps. 
During the closing days of the Clinton Administration, 
the Food and Nutrition Service took regulatory action to establish policies 
similar to the ones outlined above. Although I am in complete agreement with the 
substance of these regulations, there are at least two reasons the Committee 
should deal with these important issues in statute. First, at least in my view, 
the magnitude of these issues is sufficient to require that they be spelled out 
in statutes rather than regulation. No Administration, Republican or Democratic, 
should be allowed to exercise the discretion exhibited by these regulations. 
Congress must jealously protect its right to legislate. The line between 
regulating and legislating is inherently somewhat gray, but these regulations 
seem to cross the boundary of appropriate regulation. 
Second, states are 
reporting difficulty in getting both the Food and Nutrition Service and the 
Office of Management and Budget to approve their plans to improve administration 
of the Food Stamp program. In creating the TANF block grant program, Congress 
included provisions that gave the Secretary of Health and Human Services minimal 
discretion in approving state plans to create their own TANF programs. The 
dramatic success states have had in reforming their welfare programs shows 
beyond any reasonable doubt that states deserved the confidence Congress showed 
in giving them such flexibility. In similar fashion, it seems reasonable to give 
states much greater flexibility to design and implement their own Food Stamp 
program for working families. This is especially the case because the Quality 
Control system, revised along the lines suggested above, will ensure 
accountability. If anything, more flexibility for states requires even greater 
accountability for outcomes. 
Finally, it seems likely that if the 
Committee created legislation along the lines outlined here, the Congressional 
Budget Office (CBO) would attach some cost to the legislation. In this regard, I 
would like to call to the Committee's attention the truly surprising level of 
savings in the Food Stamp program over the past several years. The Food Stamp 
reforms initially designed by the Agriculture Committee in 1996 were estimated 
by CBO to save $23 billion between 1997 and 2002. Net of these savings, CBO 
estimated in 1996 that Food Stamp spending over the period 1997 to 2002 would 
total $190.1 billion. However, if we compare the 1996 projection with actual 
spending in the years 1997 to 2000 and projected spending for 2001 and 2002 from 
the most recent CBO baseline, it appears that only $120.1 billion will actually 
be spent. In other words, it now appears that the Federal government will 
realize about $70 billion in additional savings from the Food Stamp program 
(Figure 3). 
Of course, under CBO rules, the Committee cannot claim any 
of these savings. Even so, there is no question that a major part of this $70 
billion is attributable directly to welfare reform because so many more mothers 
left welfare than expected and the number of these families who did not receive 
Food Stamps is unexpectedly large. Thus, members of this Committee can justify 
the additional spending that will result from the types of changes recommended 
in my testimony on the grounds that the Food Stamp program has spent so much 
less money than expected for five consecutive years. Saving government money is 
not always a good thing. 
By way of summary, the Food Stamp program, in 
part because of the Quality Control system, is failing large numbers of poor and 
low- income working families that are eligible for Food Stamps but are not 
receiving them. In the typical case of a single mother with two children earning 
$10,000, the mother qualifies for about $2,000 in Food Stamps. This amount of 
money would make a tremendous difference in the living standard of this mother 
and her children. Moreover, if all or nearly all the working families qualifying 
for Food Stamps were to actually receive the benefit, child poverty would 
decline substantially. States could reach many more of these families if they 
were allowed to reform the administrative rules of the portion of the Food Stamp 
program that provides benefits to working families. If the Committee helps 
states achieve the flexibility needed to coordinate the Food Stamp and TANF 
programs, hundreds of thousands of poor and low-income families are going to 
have their standard of living substantially improved. There are very few actions 
Congress could take that would have such an immediate and substantial impact in 
reducing child poverty. 
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